Wait one freakin second! Now Craven isn’t Craven?!
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Dear Lord, I’m becoming more and moire convinced Reddick actually wrote that whole ‘dream sequence’ episode of Dallas back in the 80s.
The thought never occurred to me that there was a switch, even when the names didn’t match up during communications … just figured he was being a double or triple agent of somesort. Dangerous game, but he seems a capable wizard …
“Good Guy*” swapped out for duplicate of “Bad Guy*”
“Bad Guy” helps hero escape from danger.
“Bad Guy” reveals himself to hero.
Check, Check, and Check!
That can only mean one thing…
The “Bad Guy’s” sinister plan is about to be revealed in a monologue.
* – The whole good-bad thing here is a little fuzzy. We don’t really know where Craven’s allegiances lie, but we think he’s on the good side (or at least he’s against Warrix). In which case, it’s “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” kind of thing.
This might be a good time to go and make some popcorn, the action and drama are starting to pick up.
The enemy of my enemy’s enemy turned out to be my step-mother-in-law. We dated for a while, then called it all good and went our separate ways. Until I married her ex’s ex and became the stepfather of her god-daughter. Turns out, after all was said & done, that I’m my own worst enemy … which made my enemy my friend.
Yea. Popcorn helped. But, copious amounts of beer helped more. For quite some time now I drink to get drunk. It’s super effective.
Uhmmmm ,,,What was the question …? Oh. Excellent! It appears to be working!
I think you have it backwards. Surely we’re meant to understand that the guy in chains is the real Craven, although how he’s being restrained is a mystery. Meet me at Pixie’s Bar and Grill and I’ll buy you an ale if I’m wrong.
David Reddick, I’m going to GET you for this. In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny, you just gave me “conclusion of the brain”. (Extra pixie points if anybody can name when and where and why he said that.)
Speculations, you ask me? The only option I can think of that makes any sense is General Fozdik’s REAL boss (yet to be introduced, and yet alluded to by Fozdik) and that means Gypsy isn’t far away from this scene either. Nor is Gina, I presume. And who knows what’s happened to the Dark Queen…
Bugs Bunny taught me that if a bald midget named Elmer threatens you with a shot gun, you have to give him a prolonged kiss in the lips and run away while he is yucking.
I’m sorry, what were we talking about, again?
Since craven is often used with “coward,” when I saw the title, I thought of Daffy’s comment after trouncing the Tazmanian Devil: “I may be a coward; but I’m a GREEEEEEDY little coward.”
Next thing we know this whole scenario will be controlled by two small, purple space aliens named Rod & Berry.
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I mean come on Dave! Even Chubby Checker didn’t have this many twists!
heehee.. LOVE your comments, gang. Not to worry, we’ll get to the bottom of some of this stuff, clear the air on some things and find out some answers… but I LOVE your comments and speculation!! WOOT I was particularly proud of the folds in Craven’s shirt in that 3rd panel. And of course, Don’s killer coloring of that background stone wall cave-like setting!
It may be rather that we met the real Craven right off, that he’s always been accompanying Gina, and that this faker is the shapeshifter working for Warrix – and maybe on his own behalf as Fozdik’s “real boss” too, double-timing Warrix? Hm. Interesting.
“You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension: a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You’re moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You’ve just crossed over into… the Twilight Zone.”
OK Billbarians, I need some clarification cuz in looking back I am TOTALLY confuzzled…
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I decided to do a quick search for Craven on the site and found a few back strips. http://legendofbill.com/2010/10/21/craven-we-hardly-know-ye/
In this one, it is clear that the BEARDED “Craven” is being called by Fozik, and he is calling him C’Thall.
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Now that would lead me to believe that the clean shaven Craven, seen here (http://legendofbill.com/2011/03/28/questions/) would be the real Craven.
.
Yet when we see the obvious deception going on above, it is the bearded Craven talking as though he is the real deal while the false Craven is clean shaven and making tracks!
.
HELP!
What we know from pop culture – The evil version of someone from an alternate reality/universe/dimension almost always has a goatee. But what if the “good” version already wears a goatee? I’m thinking that the opposite version would be clean shaven.
So, (and this is all just theory on my part) “Good” Craven = Goatee, “Bad” Craven = Clean shaven. Of course, since magic is definitely involved, all bets are off.
But Don, I think you’re missing the disparity I’m seeing. The bearded Crave in the first comic I listed is evidently the EVIL one, while the second comic makes the clean shaven one look GOOD. In Thursday’s post, it looks like the good guy is bearded and in chains while the clean shaven one is the baddy.
Tim I see what you mean (I also see that there appears to be a bit of a gap in the archives going backward – an October to April jump – from that first link). I believe that David said that the entire gang has been on the move for several months, so Craven could have started clean shaven and grew the goatee. Of course, if you’re a shapechanging wizard, adding a goatee is proabably a trivial task.
Now if the other shape changer (not Craven) had observed Craven when he was clean shaven and started to copy him, that would explain the apparent switcheroo of the good/shaven evil/goatee – evil/shaven good/goatee versions of Craven.
There are many questions that need to be answered about this recent turn of events:
Who is the other Craven?
Which one is the good Craven?
Who are each of them working for?
When did the switch happen?
and most importantly of all, where the heck are Gina and Vasheeva?
It is obvious from this comic that he utimately doesn’t serve Warrix.
This leads me to believe that the bearded one is the good one! I might just be biased though.
Yep. Don’t forget the barbaric uniforms of the eeeevil counterparts.
The episode “Mirror, Mirror” seems to have been copied by many scifi and scifantasy writers.
While I’d never get a license to publish such things, I rewrote part of the “Gallileo 7″ in the Mirror Universe. No more Mr. Pacifist/illogical Spock: he’s going to keep his crew safe at all costs… It was fun to write.
““Is there enough power to fire the phaser?”
“One shot, Mr. Spock.”
“Very well, let’s do so, Mr. Scott.”
Mr. Scott tranferred power to the single phaser in its minuscule turret on the roof of the shuttle. “I can give you about 20% power for one shot. No dematerializations, today.”
“That will have to do.” Turning to Mr. Latimer, “what does your tricorder say: where are they?””
ooookay i am going to need a map now….
~unrolls map~
let see we turned here at Darklands… then went left at Albuquerque… hmm according to this we should be in Cimeria, but that’s impossible, since all i did was leave the bar and follow that ice queen.
anyone have updated map mine seem to be outdated…quite a bit it seems..
oookay i am going to need a map now….
~unrolls map~
let see we turned here at Darklands… then went left at Albuquerque… hmm according to this we should be in Cimeria, but that’s impossible, since all i did was leave the bar and follow that ice queen.
anyone have updated map mine seem to be outdated…quite a bit it seems..
P.S. Thanks to Don for that headline.
Wait one freakin second! Now Craven isn’t Craven?!
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Dear Lord, I’m becoming more and moire convinced Reddick actually wrote that whole ‘dream sequence’ episode of Dallas back in the 80s.
Totally in agreement with the “Wait one freakin second! Now Craven isn’t Craven?!”
He used to be a Zombie King, right?
Ah, sure, alright, he’s the former boss of Bill from his accountancy times, who is trying to recover his efficient employee somehow… (sure, why not?)
Sounds like someone couldnt find a replacement for the castle accountability…
Say WHAAAAAA?!
It’s Freddy Krueger. He was posing as (Wes) Craven to distract Frank and pull Bill into Dreamland.
Ooooooo! Well-played, sir. Well-played, indeed!
The thought never occurred to me that there was a switch, even when the names didn’t match up during communications … just figured he was being a double or triple agent of somesort. Dangerous game, but he seems a capable wizard …
Hmmmm. The return of Gork?
Just a side note, but when I saw the first panel on the FB site, first thought was “when did Space Ghost get into the comic”?…lol
Interesting developments…
“Good Guy*” swapped out for duplicate of “Bad Guy*”
“Bad Guy” helps hero escape from danger.
“Bad Guy” reveals himself to hero.
Check, Check, and Check!
That can only mean one thing…
The “Bad Guy’s” sinister plan is about to be revealed in a monologue.
* – The whole good-bad thing here is a little fuzzy. We don’t really know where Craven’s allegiances lie, but we think he’s on the good side (or at least he’s against Warrix). In which case, it’s “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” kind of thing.
This might be a good time to go and make some popcorn, the action and drama are starting to pick up.
I hope no monologue. I really hate when the bad guys destroy their master plan by revealing it to the good guys… before they are dead.
The enemy of my enemy’s enemy turned out to be my step-mother-in-law. We dated for a while, then called it all good and went our separate ways. Until I married her ex’s ex and became the stepfather of her god-daughter. Turns out, after all was said & done, that I’m my own worst enemy … which made my enemy my friend.
Yea. Popcorn helped. But, copious amounts of beer helped more. For quite some time now I drink to get drunk. It’s super effective.
Uhmmmm ,,,What was the question …? Oh. Excellent! It appears to be working!
More importantly, are you your own grandpa?
Geez! A Homer and Jethro reference!!! Didnt think too many people remembered Tennessee’s Tarnished Tonsils…..
I remember hearing that song a long time ago, listening to Dr. Demento.
Monologuing and capes, bad. Very, very bad.
I agree with you Tim (and of course, Edna Mole) No Capes!!
Oh my oh my.
Ok, everybody get rid of the disguise, this is turning into a king size Scooby mystery!
Whaaaaaaaaat?? O_o
I think it might be time for a reread of the archive, things are getting crazy.
Now where has Gina/Vasheeva gone?!
On that note, Craven of the past strips didn’t sport the manly facial hair!
Wait a second. Are you suggesting that Gina, who is Vasheeva in free days (or is it chained days?), is Craven as well?
I must admit that the transexuality conceptual barrier had not been crossed earlier in this comic… at least not apparently.
Ah, Sigmund, where are you when we need you… to explain the plot of a comic?!
I think the idea that Gina got turned into Craven goes entirely on your account, my good sir.
Yet ANOTHER curveball I didn’t see coming.
I speculate that the Craven that was helping Gina was not the real Craven. Yet I don’t believe he is working for Warrix.
So many questions!!
I think you have it backwards. Surely we’re meant to understand that the guy in chains is the real Craven, although how he’s being restrained is a mystery. Meet me at Pixie’s Bar and Grill and I’ll buy you an ale if I’m wrong.
That’s what I mean – I think the Craven that we’ve been seeing all along is a fake, and the one in chains in the real Craven.
David Reddick, I’m going to GET you for this.
In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny, you just gave me “conclusion of the brain”.
(Extra pixie points if anybody can name when and where and why he said that.)
Speculations, you ask me? The only option I can think of that makes any sense is General Fozdik’s REAL boss (yet to be introduced, and yet alluded to by Fozdik) and that means Gypsy isn’t far away from this scene either. Nor is Gina, I presume. And who knows what’s happened to the Dark Queen…
Bugs Bunny taught me that if a bald midget named Elmer threatens you with a shot gun, you have to give him a prolonged kiss in the lips and run away while he is yucking.
I’m sorry, what were we talking about, again?
Actually, I was talking about a curly-haired and manic Australian Aborigine and not Sir Elmer de Fudd, but if your life lesson works…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO4qFbXAAxk
Since craven is often used with “coward,” when I saw the title, I thought of Daffy’s comment after trouncing the Tazmanian Devil: “I may be a coward; but I’m a GREEEEEEDY little coward.”
Next thing we know this whole scenario will be controlled by two small, purple space aliens named Rod & Berry.
.
I mean come on Dave! Even Chubby Checker didn’t have this many twists!
First theory: giiiiiiaaaaant retcon!!!!1!!!!one11
Second theory: Evil twin brother.
Third theory: A wizard did it.
heehee.. LOVE your comments, gang. Not to worry, we’ll get to the bottom of some of this stuff, clear the air on some things and find out some answers… but I LOVE your comments and speculation!! WOOT
I was particularly proud of the folds in Craven’s shirt in that 3rd panel. And of course, Don’s killer coloring of that background stone wall cave-like setting!
I’ve guessed for some time now that the Craven accompanying Gina is really the shapeshifting magical creature under Warric’s employment.
It may be rather that we met the real Craven right off, that he’s always been accompanying Gina, and that this faker is the shapeshifter working for Warrix – and maybe on his own behalf as Fozdik’s “real boss” too, double-timing Warrix? Hm. Interesting.
“You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension: a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You’re moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You’ve just crossed over into… the Twilight Zone.”
Ding-ding-ding-ding. Ding-ding-ding-ding
What if “he’s” Gypsy?
On top of all other considerations, what would she have against Craven? And so far, she hasn’t manifested THIS level of power… IMrelativelyHO.
Idle speculation on my part. Gypsy just “disappeared” after it was revealed she was more than she let on.
IT’s getting twisted here…Excellent *insert voice of MR. Burns here*
Holy Plot Twists Daveman! So did not see that one coming! You go on with your bad self. *hangs onto the edge of her lil perch*
OK Billbarians, I need some clarification cuz in looking back I am TOTALLY confuzzled…
.
I decided to do a quick search for Craven on the site and found a few back strips.
http://legendofbill.com/2010/10/21/craven-we-hardly-know-ye/
In this one, it is clear that the BEARDED “Craven” is being called by Fozik, and he is calling him C’Thall.
.
Now that would lead me to believe that the clean shaven Craven, seen here (http://legendofbill.com/2011/03/28/questions/) would be the real Craven.
.
Yet when we see the obvious deception going on above, it is the bearded Craven talking as though he is the real deal while the false Craven is clean shaven and making tracks!
.
HELP!
Tim,
What we know from pop culture – The evil version of someone from an alternate reality/universe/dimension almost always has a goatee. But what if the “good” version already wears a goatee? I’m thinking that the opposite version would be clean shaven.
So, (and this is all just theory on my part) “Good” Craven = Goatee, “Bad” Craven = Clean shaven. Of course, since magic is definitely involved, all bets are off.
But Don, I think you’re missing the disparity I’m seeing. The bearded Crave in the first comic I listed is evidently the EVIL one, while the second comic makes the clean shaven one look GOOD. In Thursday’s post, it looks like the good guy is bearded and in chains while the clean shaven one is the baddy.
Tim I see what you mean (I also see that there appears to be a bit of a gap in the archives going backward – an October to April jump – from that first link). I believe that David said that the entire gang has been on the move for several months, so Craven could have started clean shaven and grew the goatee. Of course, if you’re a shapechanging wizard, adding a goatee is proabably a trivial task.
Now if the other shape changer (not Craven) had observed Craven when he was clean shaven and started to copy him, that would explain the apparent switcheroo of the good/shaven evil/goatee – evil/shaven good/goatee versions of Craven.
There are many questions that need to be answered about this recent turn of events:
Who is the other Craven?
Which one is the good Craven?
Who are each of them working for?
When did the switch happen?
and most importantly of all, where the heck are Gina and Vasheeva?
Ahh yes, I was looking at this. But is Foztik really bad?
http://legendofbill.com/2011/06/13/who-do-you-call-master/
It is obvious from this comic that he utimately doesn’t serve Warrix.
This leads me to believe that the bearded one is the good one! I might just be biased though.
Yep. Don’t forget the barbaric uniforms of the eeeevil counterparts.
The episode “Mirror, Mirror” seems to have been copied by many scifi and scifantasy writers.
While I’d never get a license to publish such things, I rewrote part of the “Gallileo 7″ in the Mirror Universe. No more Mr. Pacifist/illogical Spock: he’s going to keep his crew safe at all costs… It was fun to write.
““Is there enough power to fire the phaser?”
“One shot, Mr. Spock.”
“Very well, let’s do so, Mr. Scott.”
Mr. Scott tranferred power to the single phaser in its minuscule turret on the roof of the shuttle. “I can give you about 20% power for one shot. No dematerializations, today.”
“That will have to do.” Turning to Mr. Latimer, “what does your tricorder say: where are they?””
Deg! Just…deg.
*Flips Desk* How dare you throw a spin in this!
ooookay i am going to need a map now….
~unrolls map~
let see we turned here at Darklands… then went left at Albuquerque… hmm according to this we should be in Cimeria, but that’s impossible, since all i did was leave the bar and follow that ice queen.
anyone have updated map mine seem to be outdated…quite a bit it seems..
blarg my avatar is not there talk about being lost.
okay whats going on now there awaiting moderation…..?
oookay i am going to need a map now….
~unrolls map~
let see we turned here at Darklands… then went left at Albuquerque… hmm according to this we should be in Cimeria, but that’s impossible, since all i did was leave the bar and follow that ice queen.
anyone have updated map mine seem to be outdated…quite a bit it seems..
Its Tuesday… and no update?
Wednesday and STILL NO UPDATE?